tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post645102992080419910..comments2024-03-17T00:00:13.417+00:00Comments on The Wertzone: Author John C. Wright goes off on an anti-homosexual rantAdam Whiteheadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-55077452674837321762014-07-06T17:55:37.401+00:002014-07-06T17:55:37.401+00:00Well, you're free to enjoy whatever work you l...Well, you're free to enjoy whatever work you like. But really, don't brag about how much more openminded you are for being able to ignore bigotry. People who are members of the groups he is attacking don't have that luxury, so please get off your smug high horse and STOP acting like you're better than them for not being offended by things that do not personally affect you.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509714628961600993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-21867624757846183782012-03-01T04:43:56.185+00:002012-03-01T04:43:56.185+00:00Wow. I haven't seen this many strawmen since m...Wow. I haven't seen this many strawmen since my nephew's highschool scarecrow competition.<br /><br />Goblin Pants is the real scream since she/he pulls what he says about music, the plight of women in the work force, multiculturalism and Native Americans so out of context that it's almost like (gasp!) she/he purposefully misrepresented his views in some impotent attempt to disparage someone she disagrees with (but lacks the chops to do so honestly). Sorry honey, try again.<br /><br />Look. I don't agree with Wright on many things (I am gay myself, and am from the MCC, a church which doesn't exactly fly with Catholicism, not to mention the fact that I am about as Liberal as a human can be). I've argued with him before and I've lost my cool with him before. <br /><br />But I would never go as far as to misrepresent his position or behave as petulantly as some of you have.<br /><br />The fact is, he is a brilliant author and he is an intelligent individual who I generally enjoy debating/discussing with, even when I disagree with him (many times, that is).<br /><br />Now if you'll excuse me...I've just been inspired to buy "Count to a Trillion" by this post. Thanks!Dancing Yvennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-19638964992194096592011-03-30T18:26:56.082+00:002011-03-30T18:26:56.082+00:00I may still check out one of his books... tho, no...I may still check out one of his books... tho, now I'm not sure.<br /><br />On another note:<br />WTFO--Is the term LGBT the best branding we fabulous folks can come up with? Seriously, aren't there any gay marketers out there?mahasamoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09284913567381683717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-83076564802732144522010-01-16T23:04:21.074+00:002010-01-16T23:04:21.074+00:00Too bad. Love his books thoughToo bad. Love his books thoughstevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-39402639828382880502009-12-10T01:13:37.488+00:002009-12-10T01:13:37.488+00:00To the Anonymous person at 16 October 2009 03:52:0...To the Anonymous person at 16 October 2009 03:52:00 GMT:<br />John C Wright's adoption of a Chinese girl does not make me feel better, given that he calls <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/294866.html?thread=9619922#t9619922" rel="nofollow">multiculturalism a "sick dogma"</a>, <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/248771.html" rel="nofollow">compares teaching Native American culture in schools to zoophilia</a>, <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/208194.html#cutid1" rel="nofollow">mocks the existence of Native American studies</a>, <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/289328.html#cutid1" rel="nofollow">wants to deport all Muslims out of America</a>, <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/242240.html?page=2#comments" rel="nofollow"> and is basically just completely unable to deal with anyone who is not a straight, Christian white man</a>. <br /><br />Nor am I all that convinced by your assertion that he's a nicer person than the commenters on this blog, given that he calls <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/294866.html" rel="nofollow">modern women "unpaid whores"</a>, <a href="http://johncwright.livejournal.com/241236.html" rel="nofollow">thinks rock'n'roll music is sinful</a>, thinks having sex with a consenting adult of the same sex is <a href="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/starkeymonster/johncwright_gaypanic.jpg" rel="nofollow">the same as sex with corpses, animals, and chidren</a>, etc. <br /><br />Basically, he's crazy.MsGoblinPantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08803953315191169041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-63515723520413521602009-10-16T03:52:12.872+00:002009-10-16T03:52:12.872+00:00Has anybody here read much of Wright's writing...Has anybody here read much of Wright's writing? I have, and I'll tell you it's not populated entirely by white people. In fact, he just adopted a Chinese child, if you want to read between the lines. <br /><br />And as far as his argument being nonsensical hate-speech, read it for yourself if you have a problem with what other people have said about it. My personal opinion is that, although you might not agree with his logic, he spells it out for you. Plus, he's a whole lot nicer than all of you seem to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-44370789493604102822009-08-18T00:21:28.431+00:002009-08-18T00:21:28.431+00:00The question is asked as to whether or not an auth...The question is asked as to whether or not an author's personal views matter when deciding if one will read his work. Yes, they do. For example, I will never again see a movie in which Mel Gibson is involved in any capacity: Not one more dime of my money will ever go to a man who is well known to be vehemently anti-Semitic. In Wright's case, the hate and prejudice are directed towards homosexuals and serve as reminders that such sentiments are very much alive. It is a sad fact that a large segment of society still regards gay men and women as second-class citizens - or worse. That is the salient point of my recently released biographical novel, Broken Saint. It is based on my forty-year friendship with a gay man, and chronicles his internal and external struggles as he battles for acceptance (of himself and by others). More information on the book is available at www.eloquentbooks.com/BrokenSaint.html.<br /><br />Mark Zamen, authorMark Zamenhttp://www.eloquentbooks.com/BrokenSaint.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-53863073579895322892009-08-17T00:24:31.875+00:002009-08-17T00:24:31.875+00:00errm a bit late and off the point now but thanks f...errm a bit late and off the point now but thanks for answering my question re Orson Scott Card. I do not want to get bogged down in the debate that ignited after ;-)marduknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-35020301931296018332009-08-15T08:57:48.347+00:002009-08-15T08:57:48.347+00:00I wonder if people here know what really means &qu...I wonder if people here know what really means "homophobia". It's so easy to pick up the word to throw at people who had other views, that it lost its true meaning.Angelonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-59996217922818693812009-08-15T01:16:33.799+00:002009-08-15T01:16:33.799+00:00"When and whence did Adam get this mind-contr..."When and whence did Adam get this mind-controlling widget that a) forces people to read his post, and b) forces them to agree with him?"<br /><br />Actually, I did get get this from Blogger, but had to send it back when people insisted on continuing to buy the new KJA DUNE books after my blog post. Obviously it wasn't working ;-)Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-73277446576923372872009-08-15T00:08:56.614+00:002009-08-15T00:08:56.614+00:00now you make a point where people not pushing thei...<i>now you make a point where people not pushing their views on others is detrimental to any sort of change</i><br /><br />Hmm, no. That's not my point at all. Not even in the ballpark of my point.<br /><br />But first off: "pushing their views on others"? When and whence did Adam get this mind-controlling widget that a) forces people to read his post, and b) forces them to agree with him?<br /><br />Now, on to your misinterpretation of my point. Parts of your previous comments boil down to "mind your business, hetero." That's the sort of thing that, if it were to come true, would be detrimental to securing and safeguarding rights.<br /><br />It comes down to numbers. Short of massively-armed rebellion, there is no way that a minority of -- generously estimating -- 20% can secure and safeguard rights on a large scale without sympathetic heteros.<br /><br /><i>And lets not try to pretend people not agreeing with homosexuality is the same as slavery or women's right to vote.</i><br /><br />In the grand scheme of things, you're right. They aren't the same.<br /><br />What <b>is</b> the same, though, is the underlying source of those things. Homophobia is on a level with considering Africans livestock (from which sprung slavery), and on a level with considering women subservient and of no importance (from which sprung the lack of women's suffrage).<br /><br />Underlying homophobia can and has led to systematic oppression (see the imprisonment of homosexuals during and after the Nazi regime, deaths in Iran, crowd-pleasing threats of gay beheadings in Gambia, etc).<br /><br />I get a warm fuzzy feeling whenever I hear a straight guy doing some variant of "Dude, not cool" to some homophobic tripe. Had I the money, I'd buy them all a beverage of their choosing.<br /><br />I don't need them to speak in my place, but it's awesome to know that they're there to get my back, socially or politically.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-57991026959582765512009-08-14T20:39:41.632+00:002009-08-14T20:39:41.632+00:00Double post again,
@ Chris , now you make a poin...Double post again, <br /><br />@ Chris , now you make a point where people not pushing their views on others is detrimental to any sort of change, now while I am gay I ask the question to you :<br /><br />Who are you to decide what should be changed, now there are a lot of people who don't like homosexuality , who are you or any of your liberal friends to say that those peoples opinions are wrong<br /><br />If others opinions do not equate to your own, then they must be wrong , right ?<br /><br />I have and never will condemn a person for having issue with my sexualityChristopher Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-46094555745369152082009-08-14T20:34:48.572+00:002009-08-14T20:34:48.572+00:00Of course not , but lets not deny there is a liber...Of course not , but lets not deny there is a liberal brigade who tries to ride to the rescue after every perceived slight against a minority .<br /><br />And lets not try to pretend people not agreeing with homosexuality is the same as slavery or women's right to vote.Christopher Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-59328642772685924102009-08-14T20:22:10.003+00:002009-08-14T20:22:10.003+00:00@ Christopher Donald
Do you really want to live i...@ Christopher Donald<br /><br />Do you really want to live in a world where only LGBT folk can say pro-LGBT things, where only racial minorities can say anti-racist things, and where only women can say pro-feminist things?<br /><br />I know I don't. Such a world strikes me as very dark, very cold, and very lonely. And absolutely antithetical to any sort of change for the better.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-6883190424244581752009-08-14T16:45:51.500+00:002009-08-14T16:45:51.500+00:00@ Christopher Donald
Interesting point. No, I am ...@ Christopher Donald<br /><br />Interesting point. No, I am not gay, so I do not have a personal stake in the matter. Whilst I have gay friends, I am pretty certain of their ability to speak for themselves on the matter.<br /><br />Why did I think it worthwhile mentioning on the blog? Because the blog's remit (as much as there is one) is reviews and news on the SF/F field. When a promising up 'n' comer utilises his (limited) fame to unleash hate-speech, it is worth bringing to widespread attention. If I'd started the blog a few years earlier I'd have done the same when Terry Goodkind went off on his infamous "Canada is a totalitarian state!" spiel as well.<br /><br />You raise an interesting point though, although I'd be interested to hear where the lines are drawn. It's a no-brainer that non-Jews can voice their disgust of the Holocaust, but should then Whites have not supported the cause of civil rights back in the 1960s since it did not directly impact them?Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-9392477781784594472009-08-14T16:02:24.820+00:002009-08-14T16:02:24.820+00:00Oh, he certainly has a right to say those things, ...Oh, he certainly has a right to say those things, and I would defend that right absolutely. The fact that it makes him look like an ignorant bigot to vast numbers of people and that is now his reputation in the field is also the consequence of his action. What opinions someone holds behind closed doors is up to them. If they want to come out and voice that opinion, then they should also be prepared to face the inevitable response.Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-17411884267334177432009-08-14T15:44:12.236+00:002009-08-14T15:44:12.236+00:00Adam, I think you're taking things to the extr...Adam, I think you're taking things to the extreme. We're not talking about not respecting every individual's rights. We're talking about opinions. And the moment someone wants to "snuff" certain opinions, that person should stop a minute and take a serious look at himself.Angelohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092095956981708690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-34473990313602910422009-08-14T15:39:28.547+00:002009-08-14T15:39:28.547+00:00Sorry double post, I should ask, are you gay yours...Sorry double post, I should ask, are you gay yourself Adam ? If not then why do you feel the need to bring to the worlds attention this authors view on gays ? Do you think we the gay people need saving from 'opinions' of people who don't agree with our way of life ?<br /><br />I mean I think religion is a sham and people who live their life around religious teachings are batshit crazy . Should someone somewhere write a blog rant about how evil I am for not going along with the status quo ?<br /><br />Or maybe you are gay, and you did take exception to what he said.Christopher Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-51791016810103101942009-08-14T15:34:20.155+00:002009-08-14T15:34:20.155+00:00As a gay man ( a black gay man I might add) I am c...As a gay man ( a black gay man I might add) I am cool with Wrights view, news flash guys, we don't need all you middle class white people to feel sorry and rush to the rescue of us minority's .Christopher Donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-3402122381914811422009-08-14T15:13:57.034+00:002009-08-14T15:13:57.034+00:00"me and my buddy nature have issues with homo..."me and my buddy nature have issues with homosexuality"<br /><br />With the number of animal species that engage in homosexual activity, this is a REALLY stupidly ignorant thing to say.<br /><br />As for the latter point, nice try but it doesn't work. Follow that logic and black people should still be slaves and women should be non-voting second-class citizens.Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-48698299480954433012009-08-14T14:27:17.723+00:002009-08-14T14:27:17.723+00:00We can not tolerate lack of toleration. We must ha...We can not tolerate lack of toleration. We must hate haters! If you don't see homosexually as a good and natural thing, then shut up and hide it. Don't you dare say anything agains't!<br /><br />^_^Angelonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-68023829104003177672009-08-14T13:55:57.216+00:002009-08-14T13:55:57.216+00:00Wait , so people are entitled to opinions(in this ...Wait , so people are entitled to opinions(in this case an authors view of gays) as long as it fits the PC view on the world ?<br /><br />when he fuck did it become the case that your not allowed to have issues with homosexuality , call me a homophobe , but me and my buddy nature have issues with homosexualityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-9112270497390571002009-08-14T12:43:00.964+00:002009-08-14T12:43:00.964+00:00To play devil's advocate for a bit, but Wright...To play devil's advocate for a bit, but Wright of course is right when he says that homosexuality is the same sort of thing as bestiality, necrophilia and pederasty.<br /><br />They are all sexual preferences who throughout the centuries and cultures have had different levels of acceptation. Though he should have added hetrosexuality and metrosexuality to the list. :)Wilfrednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-52719054201727259892009-08-14T09:27:01.444+00:002009-08-14T09:27:01.444+00:00Good post and agree 100% with regards to not contr...Good post and agree 100% with regards to not contributing to the career of a homophobe.Jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15532653228175677985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-40980808555385282252009-08-14T04:47:50.739+00:002009-08-14T04:47:50.739+00:00Well, Card has been had pretty harsh words for hom...Well, Card has been had pretty harsh words for homosexuality. In one of his essays he actually supports an armed rebellion against the government if gay marriage is legalized. <br /><br />Not a position I can support.Nethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16963540055415924510noreply@blogger.com