tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post3304711699465221704..comments2024-03-22T19:07:21.790+00:00Comments on The Wertzone: It has been revealed that fantasy author David Eddings and his wife were jailed in the 1970s for child abuseAdam Whiteheadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-90602921086646782092024-01-02T01:06:51.641+00:002024-01-02T01:06:51.641+00:00That’s horrible. He was cruel, shows how much rega...That’s horrible. He was cruel, shows how much regard he had for children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-35187429433473091952023-08-22T03:56:56.135+00:002023-08-22T03:56:56.135+00:00These books were formative for me, got me into rea...These books were formative for me, got me into reading fantasy and reading in general, starting at age 12. However, even back then I recognized that there was some sketchy stuff going on in the books. So I'm not surprised really. I think I did read a claim about them being child abusers when I was a teenager, but looked it up and couldn't find any info about it.<br /><br />What I recall is them making rape into something titillating, while ostensibly condemning it by having the protagonist very gently, amusingly chide an avowed rapist. I recall there being an association between homosexuality and pedophilia in The Elenium that bothered me - hetero abusers love to say things to the effect of "I'm not a pedophile because I'm heterosexual." That is speaking from experience given a pedophile I dealt with in my own life as a child. So yeah, I didn't like that. The relationship between the 18y.o. queen and the middle-aged male protagonist is super weird and sort of excuses the creepy relationship by making the young woman the one who initiates the sexual relationship. He kind of raised her and was like her non-bio father, which in light of the Eddingses adoption experience is just mad creepy.<br /><br />But even setting all that aside... let me tell you, I LOVED The Elenium, but I knew I could never re-read book two in the series because of how insane it is. There's some woman who cuts people up and eats them alive. The book goes into a disgusting degree of detail on it. I probably had nightmares from reading that, it was awful. There's other horrible stuff like that, but that was the worst of what I read.<br /><br />By the last couple of books I read of theirs when I was 15-16, I was sick of them. They're so repetitive in so many ways, it's like the same exact characters. I had to skim my way through the last one because it was just trash if you've already read their other books. One commenter tries to paint the books as interesting, but honestly these books are bad. I don't recommend anyone to read them. There's so much other fantasy out there not only written by better people, but just of far higher quality. The worst thing about fantasy is when you're reading some creepy people's sick fantasies without realizing it really pertains to their real lives. Or sometimes even realizing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-46922795068128153632023-08-09T07:46:26.920+00:002023-08-09T07:46:26.920+00:00In my opinion, when the author in question is no l...In my opinion, when the author in question is no longer benefitting from any sales and if the royalties go to charity, you should absolutely feel free to enjoy the books and still acknowledge the abuse caused by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-78085177991753355462023-08-05T10:14:37.716+00:002023-08-05T10:14:37.716+00:00Just rereading and looked up whether the Eddings h...Just rereading and looked up whether the Eddings had had children as they seem to have no idea how children speak or interact - then I found this which explains a lot Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-79846207632287967512023-01-09T02:35:22.223+00:002023-01-09T02:35:22.223+00:00Wow that’s… quite the response he sent uWow that’s… quite the response he sent uAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-26801277539444517382022-11-24T07:16:29.878+00:002022-11-24T07:16:29.878+00:00This ^^^This ^^^Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-36869155711523915252022-11-21T03:35:17.846+00:002022-11-21T03:35:17.846+00:00As far as I recall, Eddings' protagonists are ...As far as I recall, Eddings' protagonists are all portrayed as basically decent people, at least, though, as is to be expected, with their particular challenges and flaws. The antagonists are another matter, of course. <br /><br />I'm shocked to learn of the child abuse. It tarnishes the wonderful memory from my own childhood of discovering Eddings. <br /><br />I wrestle with the question of whether I can enjoy his books anymore. I somehow suspect he sought redemption through his writing. I think, or I hope, I can still credit reading Eddings in middle school with help discovering within myself strength to endure and overcome my own abusive childhood. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-48467055913324725962022-08-26T02:33:39.505+00:002022-08-26T02:33:39.505+00:00I learned long ago that we can enjoy the work and ...I learned long ago that we can enjoy the work and not like the creator. The Eddings work was very instrumental in certain parts of my personality, even to this day. It’s sad to hear this but it doesn’t take away from the fond memories of Belgarion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-86718609059951944132021-11-04T17:22:35.410+00:002021-11-04T17:22:35.410+00:00I just came across this news. This is quite distur...I just came across this news. This is quite disturbing. I am just finishing rereading the Mallorean for about the fifth time in my life. When I was in 7th grade I wrote a letter to Eddings and told him I wanted to be a writer. I also asked for an autographed picture because I was a child and in 7th grade. He returned the letter corrected in red pen and wrote on the back of it “If you plan on being a writer, I hope this letter isn’t a representation of your potential. As for the picture, forget it; you wouldn’t like what you see.” So, in hindsight, I guess this news isn’t so shocking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-77336521373565443172021-06-30T05:53:54.756+00:002021-06-30T05:53:54.756+00:00Of course it's the same David EddingsOf course it's the same David Eddings Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07639048649728436533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-15835126393588231302021-06-29T20:17:52.115+00:002021-06-29T20:17:52.115+00:00This only proves once again I am right that you sh...This only proves once again I am right that you should always avoid digging into the personal lives of your heroes whether it's through unauthorized biographies etc because they will never be as grand nor as upright or measure up to the image you have of them in your head not to mention the fact it's really none of your business. Treat them as the name on the cover, if you liked the book look for another by them, if not forget them and move on. rogue.red.dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17531692020153670595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-7562980787024894502021-06-06T11:05:08.922+00:002021-06-06T11:05:08.922+00:00I've only just found out about this, and it is...I've only just found out about this, and it is just disgusting. <br /><br />The Belgariad was my introduction into the F part of SF&F, having previous been only a science fiction reader. I had been considered reading the series again 30 years later, but was hesitant in case it wasn't as good as I remembered. And now I don't think I will.<br /><br />I don't understand why this wasn't more widely known.<br /><br />Another book spoiled for similar reasons is Mists of Avalon. Author Marion Zimmer Bradley has a really nasty past in amongst all the good stuff she accomplished. I just don't get it. <br /><br />Katharine S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-42835493084743226222020-11-30T13:37:33.225+00:002020-11-30T13:37:33.225+00:00@Unknown -- no, it is inded that David Eddings.
H...@Unknown -- no, it is inded that David Eddings.<br /><br />His wife changed her name. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-52516161788306049682020-11-01T15:53:02.109+00:002020-11-01T15:53:02.109+00:00I asked one of his publishers who worked directly ...I asked one of his publishers who worked directly with them and they confirmed it's the same David and Leigh Eddings. They were not aware of the situation for some time and were extremely unhappy when the information came out, but since they were both dead by that point there wasn't much they could do at that point. But they confirmed the identities are the same.Adam Whiteheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-64246986415586392022020-10-22T20:26:01.366+00:002020-10-22T20:26:01.366+00:00The article in question isnt about the Author or h...The article in question isnt about the Author or his wife. It's another Eddings...very sad how miss information is so easily belived. The female in the article doesn't have the same name and David has all of a sudden got a middle name... I've correct wikipedia hopefully no one else will be gullible Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17185786439790777561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-24481860803304850522020-05-05T18:13:37.205+00:002020-05-05T18:13:37.205+00:00Never meet your heroes, etc...Never meet your heroes, etc...shiznatikushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07385861274320176891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-11051771238427532872020-05-04T13:13:15.343+00:002020-05-04T13:13:15.343+00:00I find the phrasing of your article could be refin...I find the phrasing of your article could be refined (it has not just "been revealed").<br /><br />Fandom might have learned about it last year....<br /><br />...but the newspapers knew about the abuse back when it happened. See his wikipedia entry article for the actual newspaper links. <br /><br />"Separate Trials Set for Eddings". Queen City Mail. 1970-05-07. <br />Witnesses Tell of ‛Child Abuse'". The Black Hills Weekly. 1970-02-11. Joachim Boazhttps://sciencefictionruminations.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-6117864444161603002020-05-03T17:04:46.458+00:002020-05-03T17:04:46.458+00:00The Eddingses and MZB are FAR from the only cases ...The Eddingses and MZB are FAR from the only cases in SF. It is a real problem in the field. Look no further than Samuel R. Delany; not only does he write about pedophilia explicitly but is a NAMBLA supporter. Also that Kramer guy who started DragonCon. Look into it. There are literally dozens of these fucks in SF/F.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04806211562444068303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-7716264005998125852020-05-03T14:03:28.173+00:002020-05-03T14:03:28.173+00:00I suppose the glimmer of light for their fans is t...I suppose the glimmer of light for their fans is that this all happened more than a decade (and a prison stint) before they wrote their books. Maybe they reformed - we have to at least accept the possibility that criminals may reform. Their silence on the matter may have been shame, rather than deceit. Perhaps.<br /><br /><br />Having said that: sadly, I'm not shocked. Their work is, to put it mildly, messed up in many ways. There's constant background themes of romanticised paedophilia and non- (or impaired-)consent, there's a prurient level of violence, particularly of a sexual kind, and lots of abused children, and fundamentally almost all the characters are psychopaths. And for the most part, it didn't feel so much like a fantasy, but rather just a messed-up view of the world. A lot of the relationships, that are presented as healthy, are really problematic when you think about them.<br /><br />Of course, healthy people can write all kinds of fantasies; and being seriously messed up and rape-y and abuse-y was kind of the norm for the era (Eddings books are messed up, but not on the scale of, say, Anne McCaffrey!). So I'm not trying to say we should all have known all along. Just that, as someone who read Eddings from childhood - the Belgariad was one of the most important things in my childhood, perhaps what started me on fantasy as a genre (rather than just Tolkien as an author) - this comes as a surprise, but sadly not a shock. I can, as it were, understand how the author and the person beating children in cages could be the same person.<br /><br />----<br /><br />Regarding the books: I think Eddings is actually maybe a little bit underrated. The Belgariad is pretty vacuous (though compelling for kids!), and his later series are indeed in many ways re-runs (the Mallorean even heavily lampshades the fact it's just repeating the Belgariad). But the Elenium is actually pretty interesting for how different and more ambitious it is in style from the first two series (at a time when he was massively succesful and didn't need to experiment). It's grimdark avant la lettre, and it makes some bold decisions - some for very questionable reasons to be sure (like having the central romance story be about, in essence, a man being raped by his daughter until he likes it), but interesting to read. I loved the fact that so much of it centres on the mechanics of papal elections - with vote counts every few pages, and entire subplots of parliamentary procedural tricks (along with the insanely high decapitation count and the satanic lesbian sadomasochism, etc). As a kid, it was like nothing I'd read before (or since, really). And the demons actually were frightening - there's a real hint of horror there, behind the glossy happy smily joking-casually-about-mass-murder sheen. <br /><br />It's not a great series, because it's not that well written. But there's genuinely some interesting ideas there.Wastrelhttp://vacuouswastrel.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com