tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post3639929260779059266..comments2024-03-22T19:07:21.790+00:00Comments on The Wertzone: Staring into the Abyss: My brush with L. Ron Hubbard's MISSION EARTHAdam Whiteheadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11383677312079611311noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-37398399524649670632019-04-25T18:11:05.959+00:002019-04-25T18:11:05.959+00:00One thing that is backwards is that the lesbians t...One thing that is backwards is that the lesbians tortured and blackmailed Gris, not the other way around, and it was by effectively raping them that they were 'made straight'.Soup And Quackershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02090600030949659902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-46471742241083366842017-09-04T03:38:50.445+00:002017-09-04T03:38:50.445+00:00I have to say. Purely from a junk read stand point...I have to say. Purely from a junk read stand point I have always enjoyed Hubbard. I don't agree with any of his social or philosophical points. But he creates or describes a world that does not exist but that he believes in. It is actually close to the very essence of what sci-fi is all about. His writing is very very corny and that takes a certain mindset to get past but he creates engaging and entertaining heros like Pedrito, Jettero, Johnny Goodboy, Ol Doc Methuselah, The Commander... but yah if you try to Helen a moralistic or social message from the book you will find yourself quite disgusted. <br /><br />And for the record I am also greatly entertained by KJ Anderson. I loved what he did with Dune, and am enjoying Dan Shambles. <br /><br />Though I enjoyed Card, Asamov, and others more. I also love Jim butcher, Elizabeth Moon, Kim harrison, KA Applegate, and others.<br /><br />I would like to read a comparison of Hubbard and Piers Anthony as I have heard a lot of parallel themes and criticisms about both authors.Simon Scherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15025525014023323351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-5330406970759717922013-12-17T16:53:49.137+00:002013-12-17T16:53:49.137+00:00I've only read a little of Hubbard. l was in m...I've only read a little of Hubbard. l was in my early teens, and I enjoyed final blackout, and fear. Here is where my memory fades, I read battlefield earth, and the first few mission earth novels; and I don't remember why I stopped. I think it's newness rubbed off, and I thought it got repetative--and perhaps a little more grotesque. I came away still thinking it was readable; but there was so much more our there for me to explore, and couldn't spare any more time on a single author.<br /><br />By the way, Asimov was my favorite Sci-Fi author; as well as some lesser lites--Wein Baum, Williamson, E E "Doc" Smith, Hamilton, Sheckley, Niel R Jones, Van Vogt, Brown, Russell, Lienster; even PratchettAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-61014001894020660142011-12-11T00:11:08.240+00:002011-12-11T00:11:08.240+00:00I actually really liked this series. I didn't ...I actually really liked this series. I didn't go into it thinking about writing style or anything other than holy shit, this is LONG. I don't even remember from where or whom I got the first book.What I do remember is that I read the whole series in a week.<br /><br />Despite it being L. Ron Hubbard, I actually enjoyed this series, but of course, I was not looking for anything other than fun.-------https://www.blogger.com/profile/08023580814023022708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-8521985289116935222011-07-02T08:54:24.475+00:002011-07-02T08:54:24.475+00:00Hah. This makes me more determined to acquire and ...Hah. This makes me more determined to acquire and finally finish this series. In grade school I read the first few books, but eventually gave up on being able to find all ten at local used bookstores. Even at that age it was so ridiculously over-the-top I thought Hubbard was intentionally lampooning the "and then suddenlu..." approach of the hollywood film machine. Many things that I took for satyrical were apparentlu intended quite seriously, (the converse was true as well.AetherVagranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11483576235775089623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-36304724336617687962011-01-24T18:08:53.342+00:002011-01-24T18:08:53.342+00:00FWIW, Hubbard's first novel, Buckskin Brigades...FWIW, Hubbard's first novel, Buckskin Brigades, is pretty good. It's a Mountain Man novel set in the Canadian west around 1803, and written in 1936. I used to read a lot of similar books by guys like Terry C. Johnston (RIP), Earl Murray (again, RIP), Win Blevins and Richard S. Wheeler. <br /><br />I read Buckskin Brigades in the Jameson Books edition (edited by Blevins), so my money didn't go to Hubbard's organization, FWIW. I don't expect too many people visiting this site to care about novels that deal with the adventures of Native Americans/Canadians and fur traders in the Rocky Mountains, but if you do, the above-mentioned authors provide plenty of good reading.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474232677152016337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-36653133344514027492011-01-21T15:38:34.191+00:002011-01-21T15:38:34.191+00:00Love how anyone critical of Scientology has posted...Love how anyone critical of Scientology has posted anonymously :)Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622441892958864311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-36329150097515190572011-01-21T05:16:14.954+00:002011-01-21T05:16:14.954+00:00Im sure if this series was written by anyone but R...Im sure if this series was written by anyone but Ronny, then Adam would now actually get the joke instead of still taking it seriously.<br /><br />It is a sci-fi take on trash pup novel, a satricial and cartoony series of potshots at all the established control structures.<br /><br />I only read the first 4 novels and found the analogies to real life power structures very amusing. I did hear that the later books were becoming poor in quality.<br /><br />Adam also says<br /><br />"Ironically, he does give immense credence to the power of public relations and image-building, and how people can believe the most self-evidently delusional tripe if it's sold the right way."<br /><br />Adam is trying to make a cheap point here about $cientoligies method of converting, instead of being honest about the books intention behind the theme. The book used these themes to show the propaganda and force feeding of information that the governments can achieve with public relations.<br /><br />Again, a conclusion a reviewer would have come to if it wasn't written by a $cientologist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-8228643415989714362011-01-20T18:20:36.470+00:002011-01-20T18:20:36.470+00:00I had heard that Hubbard's health was waning t...I had heard that Hubbard's health was waning towards the middle of the series so he rushed through the rest to complete it before he died. <br /><br />From what my father has said, the series started off well enough, but gradually became unreadable, the characters becoming completely unbeliebable as well as the writing significantly deteriorating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-54143117822270377462011-01-20T14:54:49.375+00:002011-01-20T14:54:49.375+00:00Interesting. I did something similar but more fant...Interesting. I did something similar but more fantasy based- a relative comparison of the magic systems in The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, Discworld (and for some reason) the 1st Dragon Lance trilogy. 2nd or third year of secondary school, in the old money if I remember rightly.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622441892958864311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-1395504350397058222011-01-20T13:58:15.454+00:002011-01-20T13:58:15.454+00:00There's also a quite lengthy overview of the s...There's also a quite lengthy overview of the series here: http://www.modemac.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Mission_Earth<br />...that you guys might want to check out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-73619953593865870122011-01-20T02:06:52.636+00:002011-01-20T02:06:52.636+00:00Interesting stuff. I'd heard it was hackery an...Interesting stuff. I'd heard it was hackery and had no intention of ever reading it, but it was good to get a synopsis of the story and its evident manifold flaws. I liked the swipe at Kevin J Anderson, too!<br /><br />Another reason not to buy a copy of Mission Earth or any L Ron Hubbard book is that profits from sales go to the Church of Scientology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-83109668829961803602011-01-20T00:46:36.380+00:002011-01-20T00:46:36.380+00:00"Foundation was better."
LOL...this mad..."Foundation was better."<br /><br />LOL...this made me chuckle...Of course it was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-11067695016293500632011-01-19T23:47:48.418+00:002011-01-19T23:47:48.418+00:00Excellent post! Extremely amusing and only confirm...Excellent post! Extremely amusing and only confirmed what I've always thought about Hubbard's writing. Reading through all that rubbish, you really did take one for the team.Elfyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09955473789404631382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-74714818365839125902011-01-19T22:02:26.163+00:002011-01-19T22:02:26.163+00:00You clearly had much more interesting English Lit....You clearly had much more interesting English Lit. essays than I did Wert. Other than various Shakespeare plays the most interesting thing I got to essay was Roald Dahl's sex farce My Uncle Oswald. I'd have killed to have been allowed to do a bit of sci-fi, even Ron L. Hubbard..... ok maybe that's going to far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-42182418724521162332011-01-19T21:52:06.584+00:002011-01-19T21:52:06.584+00:00Wow, thanks for taking one for the team! (although...Wow, thanks for taking one for the team! (although I wouldn't have read anything by Hubbard anyway :D)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-15534188854458557772011-01-19T20:47:54.772+00:002011-01-19T20:47:54.772+00:00It's a shame that the series doesn't fall ...It's a shame that the series doesn't fall in the "so bad it's good" category, like the Battlefield: Earth movie does.<br /><br />Although I have to wonder if it's worse than Crossroads of Twilight. There weren't any rape scenes there, but I did feel like my mind had been raped after reading it.The Dudenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-33671803901861136542011-01-19T19:30:00.295+00:002011-01-19T19:30:00.295+00:00That was great to read, and I have profound pity f...That was great to read, and I have profound pity for your fourteen year old self. It must have been horrible to dredge up all those memories!<br /><br />The only connection I've had to L. Ron Hubbard was watching Battlefield Earth (by accident I swear) and walking away feeling vaguely confused about the whole thing. Which I suppose is the best result you can hope for. <br /><br />On the other hand I still need to read the Foundation series, ho hum.jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671754452498055684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-54345485439728632712011-01-19T19:03:34.678+00:002011-01-19T19:03:34.678+00:00Learn more about the famous writer at www.xenu.net...Learn more about the famous writer at www.xenu.net or www.whyweprotest.net<br />He really deserves your attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-34911689066948503402011-01-19T18:12:36.514+00:002011-01-19T18:12:36.514+00:00Worse even than George Lucas and Chris Claremont&#...Worse even than George Lucas and Chris Claremont's Willow sequel?<br />Hard to say as I never got past the first few page's of that or anything by Hubbard.chris uptonhttp://chris-thepitofmaudlin.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-20269371868886990522011-01-19T16:37:53.363+00:002011-01-19T16:37:53.363+00:00I've never been masochistic enough to try L. R...I've never been masochistic enough to try L. Ron Hubbard, but I've always been curious, if only for the ridiculous novelty.<br /><br />I HAVE however read Kevin J Anderson. r, at least, Hidden Empire, the first book in his something-or-other series. It had a fascinating premise, but the writing was so poorly focused and the book itself so boring that I had to force myself to finish the first book, and I abandoned the series.frantihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09404149956854982725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-8511396701017916392011-01-19T16:37:52.284+00:002011-01-19T16:37:52.284+00:00I had to laugh, because Battlefield Earth was the ...I had to laugh, because Battlefield Earth was the only book I put back without reading the whole thing.<br /><br />My friend and I had the notion of reading our way through the high school library science fiction section and we did. Except for That One Book, so bad, I couldn't read it.<br /><br />Much later, alas, I came to read 'Aye! Pedrito!" one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Hubbard smirks his way through the book while insulting the reader's intelligence with his gawdawful plot and what passes as "humor."<br /><br />I only read that because I had to review it.<br /><br />Foundation WAS better!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703856341303488608.post-1959660817695014272011-01-19T16:21:36.632+00:002011-01-19T16:21:36.632+00:00great stuff Wert. I am always fascinated with scho...great stuff Wert. I am always fascinated with school essay type writings about the genre. I can't believe you read all of that for a paper at age 14. My sophomore year of college I picked Gene Wolfe's The Fifth Head of Cerberus as my novel to write about and I still struggled with finishing it on time and it is only 250 pages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com